Conversation: Arnon Grunberg & Yael Hedaya
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Arnon Grunberg and Yael Hedaya discuss the pleasures of being in therapy, formalizing pain into art, and television as the “new literature” during a conversation that took place at the 2008 PEN World Voices Festival.